1. "I’m always saying this: This is a show that doesn’t rely on sensationalism or violence, rape, sex, beheadings and people being in strange, weird, aberrational—particularly women. I love that the women in this show—we’re not victims, we’re not arch-bitches, we’re adult characters living in a tough moral…in a new world where there’s just moral ambiguity and it gets harder and harder to see what’s the right and the wrong thing. I always like to call this show shades of gray. There’s a real skill involved in writing a show that has that complexity and sophistication."
    — Christine Baranski on The Good Wife (source)

    This isn’t true for Kalinda, where the show does rely on sensationalism, violence, rape and sex.

    (Source: reifrak, via bookthief)

     
  2. Kalinda Sharma and the endless cycle of abuse.

    It’s abuse for the sake of abuse and it’s so gross.

    (Source: thegoodwifeconfessions, via fyeah-the-good-wife)

     

  3. gretamaya said: What do you make of the Kalinda & Diane interaction in the finale? The best explanation I can come up with is Kalinda is still upset over Will's death, so she'll do things for Diane she never would consider normally. Or allowed Diane to ask things of her in a way I don't think she'd normally tolerate.

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  4. gretamaya said: What do you make of the Kalinda & Diane interaction in the finale? The best explanation I can come up with is Kalinda is still upset over Will's death, so she'll do things for Diane she never would consider normally. Or allowed Diane to ask things of her in a way I don't think she'd normally tolerate.

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  5. gretamaya said: What do you make of the Kalinda & Diane interaction in the finale? The best explanation I can come up with is Kalinda is still upset over Will's death, so she'll do things for Diane she never would consider normally. Or allowed Diane to ask things of her in a way I don't think she'd normally tolerate.

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  6. gretamaya said: What do you make of the Kalinda & Diane interaction in the finale? The best explanation I can come up with is Kalinda is still upset over Will's death, so she'll do things for Diane she never would consider normally. Or allowed Diane to ask things of her in a way I don't think she'd normally tolerate.

    florrickandassociates:

    So, I was reallyreallyreally upset about this at first. I’m fine with the Diane/Kalinda friendship or alliance (the Kalinda-transfers-her-loyalty thing Robert King mentioned makes a lot of sense to me, though I haven’t really picked it apart) and am curious to see it develop, but the first time through the episode, I wondered the entire time why we weren’t seeing Kalinda’s perspective. I felt, and still feel to some extent, that Kalinda was an object in everyone else’s story rather than a character in her own right, and that this was the case both in Kalinda’s interactions with Diane and her interactions with Cary was quite inexcusable. Where were her reactions? 

    Then I rewatched. Kalinda’s reactions are still missing from the Cary/Kalinda scene (which is its own beast that I won’t get into here), but there’s not really much for her to react to with Diane. All Diane says to Kalinda is, with no hint of innuendo or double-meaning (at least in my read), “Can you talk to [Cary], Kalinda? See what you can do? I know we keep asking this of you, but it’s important.” The more offensive line, the one about “exploiting,” is said while Kalinda is out of the room. This doesn’t justify Diane’s actions (which, for the record, I don’t WANT to justify because I’m appalled by them!), but it does help to explain why Kalinda doesn’t react to them as strongly as I originally wanted her to. Of course it’s very possible Diane and Kalinda both recognized that Kalinda’s approach to “talking” would be sex, but highlighting and taking advantage of someone’s personal relationship with someone else is the norm in the workplace— minutes earlier, Alicia tells Cary to “Work [his] magic” on Deena Lampard because “she liked [him].” And Cary notes that’s a strategy Will used often. Obviously, that’s not the same as asking someone to have sex someone they have a complicated relationship with, but it all depends on how Kalinda reads Diane’s instruction. For all we know, Kalinda read it as uncomfortable but routine, like Cary trying to get Deena’s support or Alicia working with Ashbaugh instead of Will (in 4x18 and 5x10), and then chose to use sex as her method. Or maybe Kalinda read it as a direct instruction to sleep with Cary to advance L/G’s business interests. I’m honestly not sure. 

    I’m also not sure what it is you’re referring to when you say Kalinda did things for Diane she would “never consider normally”— in 5x13, when Will is alive and well, Cary goes to L/G with information about phone tapping. Diane doubts that Cary is telling the truth, and asks Kalinda: “Kalinda, why don’t you find out if Cary is telling the truth?” Kalinda responds with the same word delivered in the same tone (down to the discomfort and brief hesitation) as in the 5x22 scene: “Sure.” She proceeds to have sex with Cary to get the information. The two scenes strike me as being very similar, but maybe I’ve missed something. 

    I’m pretty sure Kalinda wouldn’t have gone with Diane to visit Peter in the past, nor would I think she have let the ‘girl Friday’ comment go. In the past, Kalinda’s always been pretty good at standing up for herself, but as you mentioned she came across more as an object in others story lines and her reactions just seemed off.

    I think there’s a big difference in how Diane approached Kalinda in 5x13 as opposed to 5x22.

    I got the feeling in 5x22 Kalinda had been boxed into a corner. Diane was explicitly asking her to go to Cary (I think, from what Diane knows about Kalinda, she was asking her to go have sex with Cary, but I realize that that’s up in the air) in 5x22, even though there were many ways to deal with Cary’s obstinance. For example, she could have tried taking Robyn for drinks and seen what came out, and good old-fashion spying is always an option. That’s just two possibilities. But Diane explicitly asked Kalinda to go to Cary. This is very different from 5x13, when Diane asked Kalinda to find out if Cary was lying. Indeed, when that originally aired, I thought Kalinda screwed up - finding out if Cary was lying meant going to anyone but Cary to see if there was any truth behind the information. Kalinda has many friends in law enforcement, I’m sure they could’ve helped. Kalinda would’ve been asking about DEA wire taps, and since they were NSA wire taps her answer to Diane still would’ve been that Cary was lying. After 5x22, I now realize that the mistake was Diane’s as well, that she fully expected Kalinda to go to Cary and not someone that made more sense, logically speaking. (I at least think Diane and Kalinda’s misreadings of Cary are intentional by the writers, though why Diane would think Kalinda could tell if Cary was lying or not I don’t know.) However, Kalinda still wasn’t so boxed in, she had other options. She got to choose the one she did in 5x13, but a lot of that choice was stripped from her in 5x22. 

    That, to me, is the difference between 5x13 and 5x22. In 5x13 there’s plenty of room for Kalinda to maneuver in response to what Diane said, and indeed if Kalinda had looked into that appropriately by going to her many friends in the law enforcement field, there wasn’t anything Diane could’ve done about it. There’s a big difference in Kalinda choosing to go to Cary as her tactic (as in 5x13) and Diane asking her to do so (as in 5x22). 

     
  7. Alicia is the center of the show, and she saw what Kalinda did, and Kalinda did indeed do something similar to Alicia, so it’s valid wonder what Alicia’s thoughts about that are. Kalinda was never required to care if she hurt Alicia. Kalinda WAS required to care if her actions mount the bar of basic human decency, which they do not. The extremely negative behavior Kalinda engages in can have a lot of collateral damage, as Kalinda knows well from having hurt Alicia, even thought that’s never what she intended. Kalinda isn’t required to care that she hurt Alicia, specifically. She’s required to care that she her actions are incredibly hurtful to others and then not engage in them. Excusing Kalinda’s terrible choices to hurt people is reminiscent of the horrible arguments made justifying what Cary did to Kalinda because, well, she hurt him first. It doesn’t matter what Alicia did to Kalinda – Kalinda is a human being, she’s still required to not go about doing gross things that can have incredibly negative consequences.

    (Source: thegoodwifeconfessions)

     

  8. melikeit2011:

    gretamaya:

    gretamaya:

    Almost none of the commentary I’ve read on The Good Wife season 5 finale has talked about Kalinda’s thoughts and feelings, which just highlights how little effort the show put into showing her thoughts and feelings. She was just a prop to be pimped out by Diane and abused by Cary,…

    I agree that the writers needed to show that Cary was hurt and upset, and that was where that scene came from. But The Good Wife doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The writers chose to show Cary’s hurt and anger in a way that’s over-done and poorly-done. Sexual violence/aggression toward women is often something shows fall back on when they need to show a male character being ‘edgy’ or ‘dark’. It’s a culmination of terrible writing decisions - the writers never showed their relationship as anything other than sexual, leaving them no other way to show Cary’s anger. Kalinda’s response struck me as terribly off - you’re right in saying that’s not how sex worked between them, but she didn’t know what was going on or why he flipped out like that, yet she took no steps to protect herself. Cary’s response to being hurt made sense, but that really should’ve been shown in some other way. Kalinda’s response made no sense whatsoever.

    See, I’m not planning to watch season 6. I just feel like I’ve wasted 5 years being invested in characters and relationships who were doomed to be ruined in the end by those writers.I don’t care about what they’ve in store for season 6. I simply don’t care because they’ve completely screwed up every thing I cared about. I think Robert and Michelle King knew what they’re doing with that scene. And the reason they did it even if the knew what they’re doing is because they don’t give a damn about those two characters or their fans. Maybe it didn’t cross the line but it was something completely out of character for Cary anyway. But they were too busy thinking about the next “shocking-edgy” moment to throw at us to care about what they’re doing to those characters.

    They shouldn’t have done this to the character, to his fans and to the actor who plays him (because there’s now way they didn’t know how that would have affected baddly his fandom). And I don’t think there’s something they can do it now to make up for it. Nor I think they give a damn about it, sincerely.

    Heh, you were writing this at the same time I was complaining about it on twitter. I definitely agree with the writers going for something “shocking” or “edgy” over caring about how it actually affects the characters. I don’t see how they could do anything with these characters in season 6 that would make sense. Cary’s not going to want to work with Kalinda, and I can’t see why she would want to be around him. Alicia already wasn’t interacting with Kalinda, and then Alicia got to watch Kalinda sleep with someone for her own purposes and not care who she hurt, which is what Kalinda did to Alicia when Kalinda slept with Alicia’s husband. I can’t image Alicia being any happier with Kalinda being around than Cary would.

    So they’ve set up a scenerio which is the opposite of what I would want to watch, one where Kalinda either doesn’t interact with most of the main cast or only does so in a negative way. They use the same storyline with her over and over again, it never goes anywhere or means anything.

    As for Cary, they’ve set him up to be involved in seasons before and never done anything with it, I can’t image that changing. The Good Wife: the show where the writers never learn from their mistakes.

     

  9. gretamaya:

    Almost none of the commentary I’ve read on The Good Wife season 5 finale has talked about Kalinda’s thoughts and feelings, which just highlights how little effort the show put into showing her thoughts and feelings. She was just a prop to be pimped out by Diane and abused by Cary,…

    I agree that the writers needed to show that Cary was hurt and upset, and that was where that scene came from. But The Good Wife doesn’t happen in a vacuum. The writers chose to show Cary’s hurt and anger in a way that’s over-done and poorly-done. Sexual violence/aggression toward women is often something shows fall back on when they need to show a male character being ‘edgy’ or ‘dark’. It’s a culmination of terrible writing decisions - the writers never showed their relationship as anything other than sexual, leaving them no other way to show Cary’s anger. Kalinda’s response struck me as terribly off - you’re right in saying that’s not how sex worked between them, but she didn’t know what was going on or why he flipped out like that, yet she took no steps to protect herself. Cary’s response to being hurt made sense, but that really should’ve been shown in some other way. Kalinda’s response made no sense whatsoever.

     

  10. Almost none of the commentary I’ve read on The Good Wife season 5 finale has talked about Kalinda’s thoughts and feelings, which just highlights how little effort the show put into showing her thoughts and feelings. She was just a prop to be pimped out by Diane and abused by Cary, without a split second being devoted to what Kalinda thought about any of this. She had no reaction to Diane asking her to sleep with Cary other than “sure” and, once Cary stopped abusing her, her reaction to that was to… try and do the job she was there being paid to do?!?! I fail to see why her reaction would have been anything other than smashing him upside the head with something heavy, chaining him to the bed, and having her legion of cop friends come and take him to jail. Even if she elected to not file charges I’m sure she could’ve made sure he spent the night in a jail cell, which is where he belonged.

    And why was there no exploration of the effect of what Diane asked Kalinda to do on Kalinda? Here’s Diane, taking advantage of a wounded, grieving person in a particularly awful and exploitive way. Diane took Kalinda’s offer of help and loyalty and used that to force Kalinda to sleep with someone. And Kalinda’s totally cool with this? I… what? How does any of this make any sense at all, from Kalinda’s point of view?

    The answer is, it doesn’t. Kalinda’s point of view was never considered at all.